#229674 - 06/08/2004 18:45
Re: [emphatic] v2.02 released
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 23/07/2003
Posts: 869
Loc: Colorado
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About 4,000 in the JIS X0208 subset used by Karma and Nitrus. (Plus about 10,000 more in JIS X0213, plus several tens of thousand more if Chinese is also desired.) The v3a8 player fonts contain over 700 glyphs just in support of European languages.
Peter
Yep. Chinese (though I do have some Chinese music) isn't something I'm really concerned about. Japanese, though, is probably somewhere close to 50% of my music.
Kudos, BTW, on the fonts on the Nitrus (et. al), Peter. I only bought it after finding out it supported Japanese. Finding out, by accident, that it supported Russian (and of course many more languages) as well almost made me do a little jig!
And again to Tony C. (as I sit here with emphatic giving me burn-in and ImagePan)....
WOW. 
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#229675 - 06/08/2004 19:09
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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D'oh... Sorry, I meant --debug=5. Should be more output that way.
Strangely I can't get it to crash at debug=5 or 4. Maybe its producing enough ouput that it slows something down and doesn't crash or maybe I'm just getting lucky? Attached is a crash at debug=3.
-Mike
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#229676 - 06/08/2004 20:53
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Skunk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
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The Hijack menu has 32 command slots, 25 of which are used by default on Mk2/Mk2a builds. That leaves seven slots for user commands, including MENUEXEC, unless you increase that number by use of "menu_remove=" in config.ini.
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#229677 - 06/08/2004 21:05
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 26/08/2003
Posts: 525
Loc: California
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Sweet! Thanks.
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#229678 - 06/08/2004 23:45
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Strangely I can't get it to crash at debug=5 or 4. Maybe its producing enough ouput that it slows something down and doesn't crash or maybe I'm just getting lucky? Attached is a crash at debug=3.
I narrowed down a DC-related problem tonight to car_rate not being set properly. Is yours set to 115200?
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#229679 - 07/08/2004 02:55
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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Registered: 24/02/2003
Posts: 111
Loc: Elk Grove, CA
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I had the same problem (locking up in DC mode, audio skip) and just recitified it by adding [serial]car_rate=115200 to the config.ini.
Echoing everybody elses comments here, emphatic rocks! I've got a fun weekend of tinkering with it ahead...
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#229680 - 07/08/2004 03:40
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: Glen_L]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I had the same problem (locking up in DC mode, audio skip) and just recitified it by adding [serial]car_rate=115200 to the config.ini.
Echoing everybody elses comments here, emphatic rocks! I've got a fun weekend of tinkering with it ahead...
Yeah. Next install script(s) will make that change as part of the install.
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#229681 - 09/08/2004 03:29
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Version 2.03 is now available, same bat time, same bat channel.New stuff: - The Unix script is fixed this time. For real. No, really, it is.
- The postinstall script now adds car_rate=115200 to the [serial] block of config.ini (creating that block if necessary.) This is necessary to avoid serious slowdowns and lockups when using emphatic in DC power mode.
- The auto_foreground setting now not only brings emphatic to the foreground on startup, but also when waking up from standby. This may not work well in car mode, something I'm investigating.
- Fixed a bug which would cause emphatic to crash in certain situations
- Fixed a bug where sending of IR codes for info change and visuals wouldn't work properly in DC mode
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#229682 - 09/08/2004 12:33
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: tonyc]
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old hand
Registered: 09/01/2002
Posts: 702
Loc: Tacoma,WA
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The postinstall script now adds car_rate=115200 to the [serial] block of config.ini (creating that block if necessary.) This is necessary to avoid serious slowdowns and lockups when using emphatic in DC power mode.
I guess this means empathic and GPSApp are now incompatible (maybe they never were?) since the GPS has to have a rate of 4800.. or am I missing something here?
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#229683 - 09/08/2004 12:40
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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empathic
There's an empeg app that needs writing. Anyone wanna get started on it?
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#229684 - 09/08/2004 12:46
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I guess this means empathic and GPSApp are now incompatible (maybe they never were?) since the GPS has to have a rate of 4800.. or am I missing something here?
I don't know, since I don't use GPSapp. But I had to make this change because when I removed the car_rate setting in my own config.ini, emphatic would lock up soon after starting, even though I wasn't sending any serial output. My understanding (which may be wrong) is that even though the player's serial notify output gets gobbled up by Hijack and suppressed from going to the serial port, it still has to travel at the limited speed set by car_rate. Or, at least, that's the only way I can explain the test results which led to me making this change.
I've heard of people who use both GPSapp and emphatic, but due to outstanding issues with Hijack managing multiple apps running concurrently, I've never heard of them successfully running together, regardless of the car_rate setting. So I don't think I'm creating a new incompatibility here.
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#229685 - 09/08/2004 14:00
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: siberia37]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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No, they should play together nicely.
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#229686 - 09/08/2004 15:01
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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No, they should play together nicely.
How, if the GPS receiver requires 4800 baud?
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#229687 - 09/08/2004 15:13
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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I narrowed down a DC-related problem tonight to car_rate not being set properly. Is yours set to 115200?
Yep. This must be something different. I'll upgrade to the latest emphatic today and see if that makes any difference.
-Mike
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#229688 - 09/08/2004 15:17
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I narrowed down a DC-related problem tonight to car_rate not being set properly. Is yours set to 115200?
Yep. This must be something different. I'll upgrade to the latest emphatic today and see if that makes any difference.
-Mike
It definitely should. After correlating your stack trace with the 2.02 build, I found where it was crashing, and added some NULL checks to avoid said crashes. Should be okay now, if not, let me know.
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#229689 - 09/08/2004 15:35
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: tonyc]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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IIRC, slow-downs are caused because the serial buffer doesn't accept data fast enough when notify=1 and the car_rate is 4800bps.
When using hijack to set "Serial Port = Applications", the buffer is no longer an issue. I'm not sure what the exact underlying mechanism is, but IIRC, the player still believes that it's talking to hardware, when in fact it's effectively just pumping data into /dev/null.
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#229690 - 09/08/2004 15:51
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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IIRC, slow-downs are caused because the serial buffer doesn't accept data fast enough when notify=1 and the car_rate is 4800bps.
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When using hijack to set "Serial Port = Applications", the buffer is no longer an issue
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I'm not sure what the exact underlying mechanism is, but IIRC, the player still believes that it's talking to hardware, when in fact it's effectively just pumping data into /dev/null.
I get that, but given your first statement, I need to set car_rate=115200. It seems to me that if a *real* serial device (GPS reciever) wants 4800 baud, it's going to get confused. Right?
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#229691 - 09/08/2004 17:18
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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It seems to me that if a *real* serial device (GPS reciever) wants 4800 baud, it's going to get confused. Right?
gpsapp automatically sets the serial port speed when it starts (or when it is chosen from the hijack menu?) so it may still work. Of course emphatic might choke if run after it.
-Mike
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#229692 - 10/08/2004 09:39
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
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s that even though the player's serial notify output gets gobbled up by Hijack and suppressed from going to the serial port, it still has to travel at the limited speed set by car_rate.
Nope. The only way it could really slow down is if there's really bits being transmitted out the physical port. I wonder what's happening there?
(I don't use emphatic, never have, and probably should  )
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#229693 - 10/08/2004 11:39
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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New bug (I think):
MK2 running V3 alpha 7 and Hijack 410 and emphatic 2.01.
If player was paused when powered down, it will come up and when emphatic starts will go to the Visuals->AutoChange menu and just sit there.
If player was playing when powered down, everything comes up and works as expected.
I have to Force DC on this empeg because of a damaged chip. The player works normally in all other ways execpt it doesn't detect AC/DC properly. I don't think it figures into this problem, but in the interest of full disclosure, there it is.
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#229694 - 10/08/2004 11:51
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: JBjorgen]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Nevermind...already fixed in 2.03
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#229695 - 10/08/2004 12:16
Re: [emphatic] v2.03 released
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Nope. The only way it could really slow down is if there's really bits being transmitted out the physical port. I wonder what's happening there?
Okay, well, that's weird. Because I was running with no debug output and things slowed to a crawl (and eventually a complete lockup) without car_rate=115200. This is probably one of those mysteries that's better left classified as "Pure Fscking Magic" in the interest of moving on with life.
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(I don't use emphatic, never have, and probably should )
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#229696 - 10/08/2004 15:40
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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Yep. This must be something different. I'll upgrade to the latest emphatic today and see if that makes any difference.
It definitely should. After correlating your stack trace with the 2.02 build, I found where it was crashing, and added some NULL checks to avoid said crashes. Should be okay now, if not, let me know.
Yep that fixed the crash at startup on DC.
The new issue I'm having is that the player somehow keeps ending up in now and next mode while on DC power with emphatic running. It starts up with visuals just fine, but after a few minutes I look down and it has somehow changed into N&N mode. When this happens emphatic also seems to stop updating (it will still be scrolling artist/album data from a few songs ago). I've seen this behavior three or four times now.
-Mike
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#229697 - 10/08/2004 16:36
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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It starts up with visuals just fine, but after a few minutes I look down and it has somehow changed into N&N mode. When this happens emphatic also seems to stop updating (it will still be scrolling artist/album data from a few songs ago). I've seen this behavior three or four times now.
Haven't seen this one, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. If anyone else sees it, please let me know.
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#229698 - 10/08/2004 20:04
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: tonyc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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New bug, although this one might be a hijack thing. emphatic stops being the foreground app (doesn't crash, but doesn't display anything anymore) if something causes a hijack popup. For example if you do an http popup request like... http://empeg.ip/?NODATA&POPUP%201%20Helloit dies. My EmpMenuX program uses this popup functionality to display messages on the empeg's screen. -Mike
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#229699 - 11/08/2004 00:34
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
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Yeah, that's a weakness in the current Hijack API design, for sure.
No "stack" of screen ownership exists.. kinda difficult to solve it without such, I suppose.
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#229700 - 11/08/2004 10:19
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: mcomb]
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veteran
Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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Ah, I saw this happen when running emphatic with Empire running in the background. I beamed a playlist, the popup popped, emphatic sunk into the background.
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#229702 - 11/08/2004 11:44
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Is there any hope of this being solved?
Yes. Mark (Lord) has to add the "screen ownership stack" mentioned above. Without that, my app has no way of knowing if it's really got the screen or not.
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#229703 - 11/08/2004 11:45
Re: [emphatic] v2.01 released
[Re: webroach]
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veteran
Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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Ah, I saw this happen when running emphatic with Empire running in the background. I beamed a playlist, the popup popped, emphatic sunk into the background.
Ok, good. I'm not insane, then. The same exact thing happened to me. Is there any hope of this being solved? I really love both Empire/Palantir and emphatic, and would love to be able to use both.
I suppose it's too much to hope for that emphatic and Empire will ever be built in? 
I'll leave it up to Tony to decide if he wants to, but Empire could easily be assimilated into emphatic. Empire is simple, simple, simple (download the source and you'll see). The only caveat is that it does require the OpenOBEX libraries to run, those would have to be included in the emphatic release.
Tony, if you were inclined to include Empire in emphatic, you have my full support and permission to take any and all code within Empire and re-use it. Both projects are open-source GPL, no worries.
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